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From: jonesr@latcs1.cs.latrobe.edu.au (Richard Jones)
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>From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
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>Subject: Re: Ohh, the old plus colon colon trick again.
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acspring@earthlink.net (Andrew Spring) writes:

>In article <4nc4f8$8ge@vampire.xinit.se>, jor@xinit.se (Joakim Rastberg) wrote:


>>Or... you could read the man(4) for passwd, in particular the section
>>where it describes the use of a "+" in a nis/yp environment.
>> 

>Or you could read _Practical Unix Security_ by Garfinkel and Spafford,
>O'Reilly and Associates, page 257 :

Except that practical Unix Security is *wrong*.

>   "If you use NIS, be very careful that the plus sign is in the /etc/passwd
>   file of your Clients, and not your Servers.  On a NIS server, there is 
>   nothing special about the plus sign, and it's interpreted as a user name.
>   Be sure the the following line is *not* in the /etc/passwd file of your 
>   server (or any other machine):

>    +::0:0:::            _Wrong_

This is the *only* entry that will work right on Sun's implementation of
NIS (SunOS 4 , or SunOS 5 with "compat" in nsswitch.conf).

That's about as cannonical as it gets.





>   If the above line is in your /etc/passwd file, it will allow anybody to 
>   log into your server by typing a plus sign (+) at the login: prompt.  You 
>   can minimize this danger by always including a password field for the 
>   "plus" user. Specify the plus sign line in the form:

Only on systems that are broken (though I must admit that if you don't use
"compat" in Solaris 2.x, you may get in as "nobody"; I'll see if I can get
them to fix that).

It's better not to have any + entries in /etc/passwd if you don't run NIS.
>     +:*:0:0:::        _On NIS clients only_

On Sun's "reference" implementation, this will make it impossible for
any user to login; the non-uid/gid entries in the NIS entries take precedence
over the values from the NIS map, that is useful for having uid->name mappings
without allowing user logins.

>   Otherwise, if the NIS server fails, some implementations will allow you to
>   log in as root simply by using "+" as the user name.

Unfortunately, it will totally disallow logins in Sun's implementation.
Any implementation that doesn't "fail-safe" is broken, IMHO.

>Thanks for being so condescending.   It irritated me enough to dig through
>the back of my closet for the book, which I what I should have done in the
>first place.

I hope I've made clear why I think that the book is wrong; I hop eit was
changed in the latest release, I don't need to spend more time helping people
telling me that they've read "Practical Unix Security" but now can no longer
log in.  (It's still a book I recommend, but even the best books have errors)

It's interesting to see how Linux reimplemented this bug, long after the
book appeared.

Casper
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